Posted by: Dr. Grover B. Proctor, Jr. | 15 June 2017

Tweet: ‘Kill Republicans’ & ‘Abort Christ’

As if the Berkeley riots, and other Antifa violence, were not enough. And as if the message of a publicly funded (by the city and state of New York) musical (!!) called Killing Republicans were not splashed on playbills all over NYC. (Where, you might ask, was this “rock opera” staged? Why, at the Shooting Gallery Arts Annex, of course. You can’t make this stuff up.)

Lars MaischakIt seems as if a California university teacher’s call for the Killing of Republicans may have been heard and acted upon. (Thank God that, as yet, there are no innocent fatalities from the Arlington shooting — but not for lack of trying.)

The tweets that featured the grinning face of Fresno State’s lecturer Lars Maischak (until they were deleted) have given him the 15 minutes of fame he seems to have sought. Try these on for size:

  • “To save American democracy, Trump must hang. The sooner and the higher, the better.”
  • “Has anyone started soliciting money and design drafts for a monument honoring the Trump assassin, yet?”
  • “Justice = the execution of two Republicans for each deported immigrant.”
  • “When California secedes, you Fascist Trump-voting white trash scum can wallow in your filthy hell-holes of flyover states. Enjoy.”
  • “A democracy must not be tolerant of those who want to abolish democracy. It must vigorously defend itself. Ban the GOP.”
  • “Given the nature of his [Trump’s] regime, he will be held accountable for his crimes in a court, and historical precedent suggests that a death sentence is inevitable, if democracy prevails.”

And finally, there’s this malignantly vulgar one:

  • “If only Mary had had an abortion! We would have been spared this Clerical-Fascist crap. HisGlory, my ass!”

Lars Maischak quote

The Arlington gunman was solely responsible for his own actions. Period. Full stop.

No government-funded “rock opera,” no HuffPost screed, no politician, no ultra-left militia group, no cable news talking head, no Hollywood starlet — not even comrade Lars Maischak himself, urging on the Revolution from his safe position behind his computer screen — none of these bears responsibility for the 50+ rounds fired at Congressional Republicans.

But one cannot help wondering, what was the cocktail of violence-infused philosophical pabulum that justified to him this particular exercise of his free will?

Lecturer Maischak, of course, has every God-given right to his own opinion about anything, including Christianity. But as a matter of correcting error, I would suggest that, given his fixation with the execution of President Trump and his wished-for in utero killing of Christ, he might be shaking his own impotent finger in the wrong direction.

After all, it wasn’t Marx, or Hegel, or Lenin, or Stalin, or Mao, or Bill Ayers, or Hillary Clinton that gave us the universal antidote to this philosophical fantasy of death — it was that singular revolutionary document called The Bible. I would be so bold as to suggest that if the Arlington gunman’s philosophy were based on THIS, Congressman Scalise would be back at baseball practice today.

Please read and emulate, lecturer Maischak:

“You have heard that it was said, Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.”
(Matthew 5:43-44)

“Finally brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable — if there is any moral excellence and if there is any praise — dwell on these things.”
(Phililppians 4:8)

“Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people. For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another.”
(Titus 3:1-3)


Killing Republicans: The Musical

Posted by: Dr. Grover B. Proctor, Jr. | 1 June 2017

A Tar Heel Excommunication

Life MemberThe unthinkably unimaginable has happened! 🙂

Your humble correspondent, Grover Proctor — lifelong fierce and loyal Tar Heel fan, who bleeds Carolina blue, and who was literally “Tar Heel born and Tar Heel bred” — has been excommunicated from a private Facebook group that calls itself “Die Hard Tar Heel Fans Only!!! (Official).” (Translation: I was booed, hissed, cursed, fired, dismissed, kicked out, shooed away, shoved aside, run out of town on a rail, etc., etc. — in case it wasn’t clear.)

Me? Unceremoniously stricken from the rolls of Tar Heel fandom? Surely you jest!

Oh, I was welcomed with open arms, as long as my participation exclusively mirrored the group’s choruses of “rah rah Carolina-lina” and “aren’t we the greatest in the world? and eff-you if you say we aren’t” and “let’s think of every smug, hateful, and obscene thing we can say about Duke [which, of course, they spell “dook”], Coach K, Tony ‘one-and-done’ Bradley, Rashad ‘turncoat’ McCants, Jay ‘Duke Boy’ Bilas, anything at all to do with the NCAA, and everything that is not ‘pry the Dean Dome from my cold dead fingers’ loyalty.”

Did everyone behave this way? Of course not; I found many wonderful, ebullient, friendly Heels fans there, and I thoroughly enjoyed my interactions with them. But it surely seemed as though the jerks were often the most vocal.

Ah, but among some in the group, there was a feeling that the serpent had nefariously crept into Paradise, in the form of my recent post (click here to read the unabridged version), where I urged the Carolina administration and leadership to take ownership of the school’s academic scandal, accept their deserved punishment, apologize to those harmed, and never ever do it again.

To be fair, I got as many “Likes” from group members as there were screeds from “disagreers,” before they once-and-for-all severed my metaphorical UNC umbilical cord. There was even one member whose opening volley was fiercely in “attack Grover” mode, but who, after a few brief exchanges of civil discourse between us, turned out to be one of the nicest people I’ve met on the Interwebs. It’s a friendship I hope lasts a long time.

But, boy howdy! The lethal venom and totally ad hominem attacks that ensued would make Bobby Knight blush. You would have thought I was the fleshly embodiment of the Voldemoron spirits of everyone who espouses the ABC philosophy (Anybody but Carolina). I was accused of being a Duke fan who crept in unawares (“go back to your dookie group!”), a shill for the evil NCAA, and obviously a misanthropic surrogate for Rashad “Benedict Arnold” McCants.

The group’s Moderator boasts that the site “is a NO DRAMA FREE group!!” I do not think that means what he thinks it means. The group proudly boasts it is “a place for all Tar Heel Fans to unite!!!” (Your experience may vary.) Grounds for getting “kicked out of the group” consist of “Don’t start nothing.” Saying that I’m a huge Tar Heel fan, but that I abhorred the UNC athletics/academics scandal… that was “starting something”?

Many of the rank-and-file members of the group (there are 38,000+ of them at present), as well as apparently its Moderator, will brook absolutely no criticism of anything related to Carolina Nation. Unless, of course, you are criticizing Rashad McCants, in which case it seems to be open season to libel him with as many profanity-laced tirades as you please.




(For those of you who don’t know Mr. McCants’ significance here, he had the unmitigated gall to assert that, while a student and star basketballer at UNC, he had been placed in a series of “no-work, easy-A” classes after his GPA began to drop into dangerous territory that threatened his playing eligibility. Lo and behold, several years (and $3.1 million) later, Carolina commissioned the Wainstein Report, which affirmed all of that sordid academic story. However, as I found out by my brief affiliation with this FB group, there is an amazing level of vituperative hatred of Mr. McCants for his supposed “traitorous lies” — the same Rashad McCants whom they wildly cheered not all that long ago when he helped Carolina win a national championship. Go figure.)

Back to my excommunication. Please understand: I absolutely agree with the right of the Founder or Moderator of a Facebook group to include and exclude anyone, at will. Admit me; throw me out; it’s your prerogative. That’s not at issue.

This turn of events would be HILARIOUS to me (ME? not Tar Heel enough for a UNC fan page??), were it not one more sign of the times — We are “us” and there are only two possibilities for you: if you are 100% “us,” then, by definition, there is no one greater than you; but if you are NOT “us,” then DIE, HERETIC, and burn in effing heck. (Which, by the way, was one of the things written to me on the site, though my version here has softened the linguistic edges.) It feels like a culturally systemic case of borderline personality disorder.

Do I care about being thrown out of the supposed “in-crowd”? First of all, they aren’t that; and second, I truly could not care less one way or the other. I got into the group to have fun and share information with like-minded Carolina fans, and I now walk away for the same reason.

Dean SmithBut folks — especially those in the “I love Carolina” universe — can we just try a little harder to re-establish civility, harmony, decency, humility, brotherhood/sisterhood, and a love of hearing opposing viewpoints in a spirit of camaraderie and growth, in our discourse and in our lives?

What would Dean want us to do? “I do believe in praising that which deserves to be praised.” “You should just do the right thing.”

Let’s try. Let’s meet half way.

Posted by: Dr. Grover B. Proctor, Jr. | 31 May 2017

This ol’ Carolina Boy is Sorely Disappointed

Now, I’m just an ol’ Carolina boy and a fiercely loyal University of North Carolina fan. (Tar Heel born, Tar Heel bred, etc. etc.) I love my school and will ’til the day I’m a Tar Heel dead.

But I have refused to close my eyes to the ongoing academic/athletic scandal that has rocked the school and sullied its reputation. I earned my living for most of my professional life teaching and as a dean in Higher Education. As I began to hear the details of the UNC scandal, I knew exactly what the checks and balances, oversights, and academic rigor enforcements were which should have been in place — and which should have kept or stopped something like this from happening immediately — but which had been non-existent, unknown, innocently ignored, or maliciously flouted.

NCAA AllegationsIt resulted in academic fraud and (we may soon learn from the NCAA) athletic malfeasance. I am terribly angry at and greatly disappointed in my beloved alma mater for allowing this demeaning of the value of my education and diploma, and that of a huge number of of students and student-athletes. Here’s how things stand now, as we await the NCAA hearing scheduled for mid-August.

UNC’s sole response to the NCAA at this point seems to be, in essence, “Screw you. You only have power over us in Athletics. You have no authority over what we do in Academics. That is the job of our accreditors. So bug off!”

“The University takes seriously its obligations to comply with NCAA bylaws, but fundamentally believes that the matters at issue here were of an academic nature that do not implicate the NCAA bylaws,” the school said through the mouth of one of its attorneys, from a Chicago/New York law firm whom Carolina is paying an hourly rate of $990 per partner and a minimum of $450 per associate for the foreseeable future.

It is highly ironic to hear this coming from the school whose academic malfeasance caused their accreditors to put them on probation — because UNC “had failed to meet seven standards, including academic integrity and control over college athletics” and “showed little control over athletics.” According to those accreditors, probation is “usually, but not necessarily, invoked as the last step before an institution is removed” from accreditation. The accreditation agency’s probationary status for Carolina ended in June 2016 because the school had convinced them that they had put sufficient “safeguards in place to ensure this doesn’t happen [again.]” Let’s hope this turns out to be true.

As a result of its year on accreditation probation, Carolina is now alleging it has done its time in academic purgatory and has repented of its sins, therefore the NCAA has no standing to pronounce sanctions on them.

That reasoning might sound okay on a first, hurried reading — except for the fact that satisfactory and real academic progress (as defined by the NCAA) is a non-negotiable criterion for athletic eligibility!

If you falsify one to fraudulently achieve the other, Carolina, you have linked them inseparably.

Athletes must keep their GPA high enough to meet NCAA standards, or they will be declared academically ineligible. It’s over. Sayonara. How greatly might any school sin if one (or several) of their star football or basketball players was in a deeply deficient GPA situation?

When the scandal broke, Carolina (to its credit) hired a former Federal prosecutor to do a thorough, complete, no-holds-barred, we-have-nothing-to-hide investigation. When Ken Wainstein came to campus to present his 131-page Report in October of 2014, the stunned faces of UNC System President Tom Ross and UNC-CH Chancellor Carol Folt were all we needed to see to know that some major manure had been raked up. Three-and-a-half pages of the Report’s Executive Summary contain nothing but bullet-points of wrongdoings. The following are verbatim excerpts from just the first of those pages:

Former Federal Prosecutor Ken Wainstein presents his Report to the UNC leadership.

Former Federal Prosecutor Ken Wainstein presents his Report to the UNC leadership.

  • shadow curriculum… flawed instruction through the offering of “paper classes”… no interaction with a faculty member… required no class attendance or course work other than a single paper… resulted in consistently high grades… awarded without reading the papers or otherwise evaluating their true quality.
  • to help struggling students and student-athletes… felt sympathy for under-prepared students who struggled with the demanding Chapel Hill curriculum… affinity for student-athletes in particular… gave them ready access to these watered-down classes.
  • 18 years these classes existed… hundreds of individual independent studies in the “paper class” format — with no class attendance or faculty involvement, and with [Deborah] Crowder [“non-faculty,” “secretary”] managing the class and liberally grading the papers… over 3,100 students received one or more semesters of deficient instruction and were awarded high grades that often had little relationship to the quality of their work.
  • grades earned in these paper classes were significantly higher than grades awared in the regular classes… average grade issued to all identified students in the paper classes was 3.62 [out of a possible 4.0].
  • student-athletes accounted for a disproportionately high percentage of enrollments in the paper classes… 47.4% were student-athletes, even though student-athletes make up just over 4% of the Chapel Hill undergraduate student body… 50.9% [of these] were football players, 12.2% were men’s basketball players, 6.1% were women’s baskteball players, and 30.6% were Olympic and other sport athletes.

(If you want to read the entire report (or if your stomach won’t tolerate that, then just the explosive Executive Summary), you can find it by clicking here.)

These (and so many more) are the findings of the independent legal Consultant — bought and paid for by UNC, to the tune of $3.1 million — for whom all doors on campus were opened and to whom access to everything was granted. Carolina owns these findings. All the evidence indicates that the school provided at least one avenue for an extraordinary number of “under-prepared” student-athletes who “struggled with the demanding Chapel Hill curriculum,” in order to circumvent normal academic rigor and receive unmerited high grades for minimal or no work.

And now, Carolina’s latest ploy is to say that the NCAA has no right to use the findings of the Wainstein Report as evidence against them. Surely they’re not trying to assert that the school has something similar to 5th Amendment rights against self-incrimination?!?

I love you with all my heart, Carolina! I’m forever proud of the education you gave me. And I love and have admired every athlete who has ever worn a UNC jersey!

But you did wrong. Fake classes with no professor, no attendance or residency requirement, and the minimal required work was graded by a secretary? Did easy A’s = easy eligibility?

And you know you did wrong. So… sit down, shut up, take the punishment you deserve, apologize profusely and continually to the athletes whose degrees you have demeaned and whose reputations you have sullied — and never, EVER do this crap again!

‘Nuff said.

Posted by: Dr. Grover B. Proctor, Jr. | 19 May 2017

You Should Seek ‘The Searchers’

My wife and I had the great pleasure on May 18 to view the East Coast premiere of The Searchers, the award-winning documentary film by Randolph Benson. The audience at Chapel Hill’s Varsity Theater seemed unanimous in their admiration of the film’s quality, and the vital slice of American history it has preserved so heroically.

Winner of the 2017 Orson Welles Award at the prestigious Triburon International Film Festival, The Searchers calls itself “a portrait of researchers of the assassination of John F. Kennedy.”

Randolph Benson

Randolph Benson

Fourteen years in the making, the film uses never-before-seen interviews, archival footage and recently declassified documents to chronicle the past and present of these ordinary citizens and their contributions to revealing the truth about the crime of the 20th century.

Suffering ridicule, and being labeled with the intellectual scarlet letter of conspiracy theorists, these individuals have challenged the institutions of power for over 50 years. They have fought against great odds to, as they often proclaim, “take back our history!”

The film features a literal “Who’s Who” of those who have given most to the investigation: Cyril Wecht, Robert Groden, Josiah Thompson, Mark Lane, John Judge, Jim Marrs, Jim DiEugenio, Debra Conway, Gary Aguilar, Lisa Pease, Rex Bradford, Walt Brown, Andy Winiarczyk and John Kelin, among many others.

A “great strength of the film is that it is made for an audience that is not necessarily expert in all things JFK,” noted film critic Joseph Green. “The director made it, in his words, for ‘himself, before I got into all this.'” These researchers were at first scorned, then completely shunned, by the mainstream media — having the effect of caricaturing the people and censoring their message. This film “counters that by simply letting the critics speak about the case without being interfered with. . . . The great achievement of the film is to humanize the researchers themselves.”

Randolph Benson (whom I am fortunate and honored to call friend) is an award-winning, Durham-based filmmaker. His films have garnered the Gold Medal in the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences’ Student Academy Awards and a Kodak Excellence in Filmmaking Award at the Cannes Film Festival, among others. His work has been featured on the Bravo Network, the Independent Film Channel and UNC-TV as well as several international channels.

A graduate of Wake Forest University and the North Carolina School of the Arts, Benson has taught at the Center for Documentary Studies at Duke University for more than 10 years. He is author of the article “JFK, Oswald and the Raleigh Connection,” as well as the highly intriguing and informative “13 Documents You Should Read About the JFK Assassination.”

As is, alas, the case with all too many highly deserving documentaries, The Searchers is not currently set for national release. That is all the more reason you should haunt its Official Web Site to keep track of scheduled showings. Find one near you, and go. Even if you do not know much about the JFK assassination, you need to see the human drama of these men and women unfold in Benson’s deft telling. Seriously.



The SearchersThe Searchers

Posted by: Dr. Grover B. Proctor, Jr. | 27 April 2017

My Dallas Interview (2015)

When I was in Dallas in November 2015, preparing to deliver my presentation From Dallas to Raleigh: Lee Oswald and the Fingerprints of Intelligence, I was asked to do an interview on a wide ranging set of issues related to the Kennedy Assassination. Quite by chance, I discovered today that the 40-minute interview has just been posted (uncut, and in HD) on Youtube. (It can be viewed below.)

I was responding to questions from Tom Keener (lecture series impresario extraordinaire), who unfortunately was apparently not mic’ed well (if at all). So you have to really strain to hear his questions — which is a shame, because he asked some excellent ones.

As was the case in their HD video of my lecture, the production values of this interview are excellent (apart from Tom sounding way-off-stage). So once again, let me say how much of a delight it was be hosted by Tom, and to work with his exemplary staff of videographers, producers, and editors.

(During that same visit to Dallas, I was interviewed at great length by the Sixth Floor Museum, for their Oral History Project about the Assassination. Due to the Museum’s restrictions, I am forbidden to publish or post that interview in any manner.)



(42:24)   ●   19 NOVEMBER 2015


Posted by: Dr. Grover B. Proctor, Jr. | 27 April 2017

Lee Oswald and the Fingerprints of Intellilgence

Because of the (literally) unbelievable interest in it — ⅓ of a million views in 16 months — I am placing the video of my lecture on “The Raleigh Call” here to provide a permanent URL for it.

Even though I still find it impossible to fathom the number of views, my sincere thanks to all for your continuing enthusiasm for the topic.



The first 59 minutes is my lecture on “The Raleigh Call.” The remainder is the question-and-answer session, where I was joined on stage by fellow researcher Jim Marrs, author of Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy. The Q&A went on for over an hour; the audience members simply kept coming up with great questions and were eager to ask them!


Posted by: Dr. Grover B. Proctor, Jr. | 23 April 2017

Grazie, Assunta!

I’m not much captivated by the mediocrity that passes for advertising these days.

But I confess that the newest ad for RAGÚ (see below) has hit me very positively in many ways: its content, its style, its tone, its message, its editing, its humanity, its insistent pacing, its homage to history and tradition, its beautifully gustatory visuals, and its tribute to co-founder Assunta Masiello Cantisano (though it summarily omits mention of her husband and business partner, Giovanni).

Assunta e GiovanniShe was a mere 22 years old, and he 28, when they emigrated to America. Here is a very brief story of Assunta and Giovanni, as told by today’s RAGÚ corporate marketing department (with my small edits for continuity):

“It all started in Italy. In 1914, Assunta Cantisano left from the port of Naples, bound for America with little more than her family’s pasta sauce recipe to her name. She and her husband Giovanni settled in Rocheter, New York, but they stayed true to their Italian upbringing by putting down their roots — literally. Their own backyard garden would ultimately inspire their fresh tomato sauce and delicious meals, planting the humble beginnings of the RAGÚ sauces on the market today.

“In 1937, during the Great Depression, Giovanni and Assunta set out to support their family by selling homemade tomato sauce right from their front porch. By 1946, the Cantisanos outgrew their kitchen and opened the first RAGÚ factory in Rochester to better meet the demands for their delicious combination of vine-ripened tomatoes and flavorful herbs. The company grew, and so did their commitment to the highest standards of quality for every single batch of fresh tomato sauce. The iconic gondola was added to RAGÚ packaging as the brand continued to grow.

“By the 1960s, RAGÚ sauce had become a centerpiece on family dinner tables across the United States. An Italian tradition turned American classic, this sauce was simmering from coast-to-coast as a staple in some of America’s most popular recipes.”

All of this appeals to me for many reasons — and it doesn’t hurt that I LOVE Italian cuisine!

Buon appetito!




Posted by: Dr. Grover B. Proctor, Jr. | 8 January 2017

Gobsmacked, Redux

Grover Proctor and the Raleigh Call

Well, here we go again. One more time, Gobsmacked. (British for “utterly astonished or astounded.”) This is truly unbelievable.

Right at a year ago, the HD video of my Dallas-area lecture on “The Raleigh Call” was posted on Youtube. I was pleased that Tom Keener and his staff had done such a superb job making and editing the video, and that they felt the subject matter worthy of being posted.

Fast forward exactly six months. I get word from Tom that they are amazed that the video has received over 20,000 views — a record (at that time) for any of the lectures in their series! It worked out to, on average, 120 views every day since it was posted.

I wrote all that up in a posting (here) at the time, noting that “this response is minuscule compared with Gangnam Style (2.6 billion) or any of a whole host of Taylor Swift or funny cat videos. But for a lecture (ugh; no music or dancing or feline frolics) — about a relatively small part of an “acquired-taste” subject (the JFK Assassination) — much less, a lecture by me! Well, suffice it to say I was quite amazed and very humbled.”

100,000 viewsFast forward six more months, and here’s the big news: last night the Youtube “videometer” clicked over 100,000 views!

Think about it: that’s 20,000 views in the first six months, and 80,000 views in the second six months! On average, 260 views per day since it was posted. How is that possible??

My sincere thanks to Tom Keener and his crew (again), as well as to all the people who have viewed the video and recommended it to others. (That has to be how it happened; there are not 100,000 people out there who have any earthly idea who I am — or care!) I am truly grateful that people have seen something valuable and interesting in this video.

To quote Sherlock, “My blushes, Watson!”



The first 59 minutes is my lecture on “The Raleigh Call.” The remainder is the question-and-answer session, where I was joined on stage by fellow researcher Jim Marrs, author of Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy. The Q&A went on for over an hour; the audience members simply kept coming up with great questions and were eager to ask them!


Posted by: Dr. Grover B. Proctor, Jr. | 4 September 2016

All Good Things…

Over 600 years ago, Geoffrey Chaucer told us in his poem Troilus and Criseyde that “All good things must come to an end.” And in the immortal words of Queen, there’s “another one gone; another one bites the dust.”

Proctor Family Reunion t-shirtThe Proctor Family Reunion, until now held annually on the second weekend of September, is no more.

Until just recently, the reunion was held in Temperance Hall, Edgecombe County, North Carolina, and then it moved to the lovely Pinetops Baptist Church. (My parents were married in Pinetops by my great-granduncle George Gold Trevathan. Perhaps you have read the story of their engagement and wedding in my articles Flower Girl and Flower Girl—the Sequel.)

I didn’t know about the Reunion until my wife and I moved back to North Carolina in 2009, but I’ve been a regular attendee ever since. I met a huge number of wonderful people there (yes, virtually all of them related to me, by DNA or by marriage), and it was a veritable treasure trove of information for my Proctor genealogy research. My sincere thanks to all of those who worked tirelessly each year to make it happen!

Just a few years back, it was decided to move the Reunion from Sunday to Saturday, and I noticed an immediate drop-off in attendance when that happened. The downward trend unfortunately continued each year, until last year’s which was sparse. And it was this drop in numbers which ultimately, I’m told by one of my second cousins, caused the decision to end it.

So, to all my newly discovered and wonderful cousins, I have two requests:
(1) Let’s don’t lose touch, as I really want to keep up with you and your families; and
(2) if y’all ever think of having a Reunion again, please be sure to let me know! I’ll be there with my covered dishes and my family history files.

Just a few additional Proctor apparel items
to leave you with a smile on your face:
Proctor t-shirts

Posted by: Dr. Grover B. Proctor, Jr. | 20 July 2016

Results: Your Favorite Hot Dog Chili Brand

Chili dogs t-shirtThe polls have closed, and you have chosen your clear winner for favorite hot dog chili brand.

And the winner is
Well, hang on.
Preliminaries first.

I’ll show how all the brands ranked in the voting, then discuss “The Winner… but,” and tell you “My Personal Favorite.



The results of the survey I posted last month are as follows:

22.6% said they do not eat chili dogs. Well, you may be somewhat healthier for that decision, but my goodness! you are missing out on a real treat.

25.8% said they do not have a favorite brand of hot dog chili. Okay, fair enough. Variety is the Spice Girl of Life, I’m sure.

Hot dog Chili graph 1

Now, taking the remainder of those who voted (51.6% to be precise) as a separate sample by itself, here are the results of the favorite hot dog chili brand. And it wasn’t even close.

31.3% — Texas Pete Chili Sauce. (Never mind that this brand hasn’t been made in well over a year. Or that it did not contain one speck of meat. See “The Winner… but,” below.)

12.5% — Wolf Brand Chili Hot Dog Sauce. “Since 1895” (Contains beef broth and “rendered beef fat,” but no other meat at all. It also contains pinto beans, so I almost disqualified this brand!)

6.3% — (The following brands tied for third place. They are in alphabetical order.)

  • Amy’s Organic Vegan Chili (Contains red beans and tofu.)
  • Bunker Hill Hot Dog Chili Sauce (Bunker Hill puts out two different types — Bunker Hill Hot Dog Chili Sauce which contains beef fat and soy and no other meat. and Bunker Hill Chili (no beans) which contains beef.)
  • Bush’s Homestyle Chili No Beans (Seasoned ground beef is listed second in its ingredients. PORK warning: contains “rendered bacon fat and cooked bacon.” Never mind, though, as this item also appears to be discontinued by the manufacturer.)
  • Campbell’s Chunky Chili “Hold the Beans” Beef Chili (PORK warning: even though the name on the can says “Beef Chili,” the second ingredient listed is “seasoned cooked beef and pork crumble.”)
  • Manwich Original Sloppy Joe Sauce (Did you know that Manwich contains absolutely no meat, and that the second listed ingredient is high fructose corn syrup?)
  • Patterson’s Beef Hot Dog Chili (First ingredient: beef. “Patterson’s Hot Dog Chili continues to use the same recipe today as was developed by the Patterson’s family in 1942.”)
  • Tony Packo’s Hot Dog Sauce with Beef (Beef is the first ingredient. Water is second.)
  • Vienna Beef Bistro Chili Dog Chili (All-beef. Wonderful seasonings. See “My Personal Favorite” below.)
  • Zack’s Hot Dog Chili (This famous Burlington, NC, restaurant’s all-beef chili recipe was created by the original Zack Touloupas. They sell it there in both pints and quarts.)

Chili graph 2

The Runners-Up:

Chili Vote Runners-Up



The Winner… but No Longer Available

Texas Pete Chili Sauce for hot dogs clearly has a strong following. I sent out news of the survey to many family and friends in Central North Carolina, and (like me) they would all have grown up on Texas Pete Hot Sauce. I doubt there are very many native Tar Heels who don’t keep a bottle of it in their pantry. (Ingredients: peppers, vinegar, salt; an Eastern North Carolina staple)

Unfortunately, the TW Garner Food Co. of Winston-Salem, NC, announced over a year ago that it had stopped making their Hot Dog Chili Sauce “in order to focus resources on the company’s core product offerings and the development of some exciting new products.” Translation from corporate-speak, please?

So it may be the favorite of 31.3% of those who voted a choice, but at this point it lives on only in one of their better dreams.

Texas Pete & Texas TailgateOne addendum:There had been a rumor that TW Garner sold the recipe to another company, who wanted to market it under its own brand name. Here are the facts; you decide. TW Garner announced in May 2015 that they were no longer going to make their hot dog Chili Sauce. Skip forward to the beginning of 2016, and the announcement from Boone Brands (of Sanford, NC; makers of Patterson’s Beef Hot Dog Chili listed above) that they would be releasing a new product in time for Memorial Day: Texas Tailgate Chili Sauce. That product hit the stores, and you can judge who they were trying to imitate by comparing their cans (red cowboys & lariats, anyone?) and their ingredients:

TEXAS PETE CHILI SAUCE: Water, Soy Grits, Tomato Paste, Spices, Natural Flavor, Sugar, Salt, Distilled Vinegar, Caramel Color, Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein (Salt, Caramel Color, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil), Onion Powder, Xanthan Gum, Garlic Powder, Soy Lecithin.

TEXAS TAILGATE CHILI SAUCE: Water, soy grits, tomato paste (tomatoes), dark chili powder (chili pepper, cumin, oregano, salt, silicon, dioxide, garlic). Lard type flavor (interesterified soybean oil, natural flavors), distilled vinegar (diluted with water, natural flavor, caramel coloring). Hot sauce (aged cayenne red peppers, distilled vinegar, water, salt, garlic powder). Sugar, salt, brown sugar, smoked paprika, onion power, xanthan gum, lecithin oil (liquid soya lecithin). Garlic powder, black pepper.

Not a speck of meat in either recipe!

Vienna Beef Chili


My Personal Favorite

I created this Hot Dog Chili survey for one reason only.
I had just found a chili that I thought to be the very best I had ever eaten. (My wife will verify that, on my first bite of it, I was moaning in gustatory delight!) It was a brand I had never heard of before, and so I wondered if similar-minded people as myself also had a favorite that might be even better. Surveys & Statistics in pursuit of the greatest chili dog ever. Sounds about right.

You were gracious enough to tell me your favorite(s), so here’s mine. It’s called Vienna Beef Chili Dog Chili, made by the Vienna Beef Hot Dog company of Chicago. Its founders, Austrian-Hungarian immigrants Emil Reichel and Sam Ladany, first sold their hot dogs at the 1893 Columbian Exposition in Chicago. It’s said that over 27 million people attended the Exposition, and undoubtedly many of them became fans of Emil and Sam’s wonderful fare. They built their first store the next year on South Halsted Avenue, and they have been a Chicago (now national) legend ever since.

BurgerFi and Freddy's

The two restaurants where I live where you can get a Vienna Beef Hot Dog, topped with
Vienna Beef Chili Dog Chili.
It is truly mouth-watering!

The best place to find Vienna Beef Chili Dog Chili is in restaurants across the nation. At one time, they packaged their chili to be sold at Costco, but that has now ended. You can order it on, but beware! They only sell it in individual 16-pound cases, containing 4 frozen 4-pound bags. The cost per case is $55, and the shipping (including packing in dry ice) brings the total to $92.50!

So I rely on two restaurants near me — BurgerFi ($4.97 for a single chili dog) and Freddy’s ($3.59) — to satisfy my Vienna Beef Chili Dog Chili craving. And that’s fine, as they are both great places to eat — despite the fact that both chains are primarily famous for their burgers. (Personal opinion: the french fries and other side dishes at BurgerFi are far superior to those at Freddy’s.) If you click on the Vienna Beef Chili logo above, it will take you to an interactive U.S. map, where you can input your zip code and find all the restaurants in your area that serve Vienna Beef products. I highly recommend it!

So that you will know what you’re eating, here are the ingredients of the Vienna Beef Chili Dog Chili:

VIENNA BEEF CHILI DOG CHILI: Beef, water, tomato paste, onions, seasongins (corn flour, spices, dehydrated onion, textured soy and corn protein, garlic powder, paprika), chili seasoning (paprika, chili pepper, spices, salt, garlic powder, silicon dioxide added to prevent caking), modified food starch, textured vegetable protein (soy protein concentrate, caramel color), barley flour, salt, brown sugar, cayenne pepper.



You may be wondering, as I did, about how all these brands vary by cost. Never fear; I’ve done the work for you. Based on research at local Walmart, Food Lion, Kroger, and Harris Teeter stores, combined with, here are the best and/or average comparable prices (retail, converted to cost-per-ounce) that I could find for these brands:

Costs per ounce of hot dog chilis


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